- Disease As Consciousness...
- Nov. 7, 1998
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- Log-file starts Sat Nov 7 20:01:06 1998 (MST)
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- RichardKula< /topic Spiritual Discussion In Progress..... LOL
- RichardKula< Perhaps we could discuss Paths and what that really means.
- RichardKula< Hello Dayvid *VBS*
- RichardKula< Maybe the power in WORDS and how that relates to Consciousness!
- RichardKula< A discussion of Forgiveness could be good! *VBS*
- RichardKula< Perhaps Understanding what Truth is.... not the different truths we all hold, but what are Absolutes, and what is Principle and what is Out & Back and Universal Law and what does all of this mean to US?
- DerekLamar< What do you think this means when people are so upset about absolutes.... they actually become unhinged like someone is telling
- them what to do.
- Gandolphin< What do you guys think about healings.... what is this really about?
- RichardKula< Hello Dayvid! *S*
- Dayvid< When walking, just walk.. when talking, just talk.. when eating, just eat..
- RichardKula< Hello (((Chaske))) *VBS*
- Chaske< hello!
- Dayvid< Humble bow RichardKula.. may all life be as you dream..
- Dayvid< You have too many windows open to pay attention..
- RichardKula< Hmmmmmmm most of my dreams are okay, but it is my understanding that life itself is a dream..... *VBS*
- RichardKula< Hello Presence (((VBS)))
- Tahuti< GreetingS All
- RichardKula< I was trying to get a group started to discuss something spiritual in a serious manner....LOL
- RichardKula< Hello Tahuti
- RichardKula< Dayvid... don't give me away....ROTFL
- Tahuti< Truth sounds like a good discussion topic
- RichardKula< Okay Truth it is.... I often do a lecture called TRUTH: A Dinosaur In Modern Times! *VBS*
- Tahuti< are we discussing personal truths or the Universal Truth?
- RichardKula< Truth bothers people because there ARE so many different "truths" but as a group it is necessary to understand that in back of all
- that is there are fundamental Truths.....
- RichardKula< Personal truths are usually facts which can also be translated as lies or illusion.... Universal Truth is the only one which is worthy of discussion.
- harp< la vida es suena
- RichardKula< Hello Harp.... yes..... LIFE is a DREAM
- RichardKula< Row, row, row your boat, gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, merrily, merrrily, life is but a dream.
- harp< ..and also a book written i nthe 15th century i believe
- HoneyFrosted< OKay, here I am you two, no more privates!
- Tahuti< The Universal Truth that at the core of our essence is total bliss..total AT ONE MENT, and the illusion is our vehicle to "discovering" this and making it our truth
- Tahuti< hello Honeyfrosted
- HoneyFrosted< Hi dear
- RichardKula< No doubt..... even Jesus made it clear that what we perceived was not Reality.... and Plato as well... even before.... it is a Golden
- Thread of Understanding which has come along throughout our history which finally mankind collectively must deal with as his world crumbles
- before his eyes.....
- harp< lol everyone so busy DESCRIBING. QUATIFYING and DISSECTING the menain g of life..lOLLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA try
- livin it!
- RichardKula< Hi girls *S*
- harp< floooooow
- Tahuti< good advice, Harp, you a Taoist?
- RichardKula< Why does everyone here get so sarcastic instead of seriously enjoying each other and discussing truth.... people just are so hungry
- for therapy before they can even begin a path it seems.
- harp< loll Tahuti you is not a helpful soul,,lollahhaahahaa
- harp< i try not ot ist too much Tahuti
- harp< if ya mena me richard..i am not i nthe least sarcastic...really iam not
- Tahuti< no sarcasm here! im a Taoist, myself, you see
- RichardKula< Well they do have the highest suicide rate in the U.S...... Alaska that is.
- harp< lolll nice richard
- harp< hard to live wihtout the light
- HoneyFrosted< RichardKula, if I may ask, what exactly do you mean by 'therapy'? Are you suggesting people turn to the spiritual as a means of
- assuaging and remedting their deep personal struggles?
- Tahuti< the most difficult thing on my path is defining my life in relation to Truth
- RichardKula< the point is for people to get together and share what they know so that they can come to a greater understanding of spiritual principles.... simply telling people to live it.... is not helpful..... the obvious statements are not always illuminating.
- harp< and water adn sewer nad access to goods..and education..and medicine etc
- Tahuti< spirtual practice is the only thing that works for me
- RichardKula< HoneyFrosted.... my point was there are many people I find in the Chat rooms who could and definately need personal therapy in a psychological manner before they could begin to understand Higher Spiritual Principles. Not being totally nasty... but this argumentive pose many people take seems so resisting to Higher Understanding and the arrogance becomes a coverup for a Real Path.
- harp< sigh
- RichardKula< SWC goes through cycles it seems..... sometimes there are good discussions some times there are not.
- Tahuti< Ill share what I know, we create the world around us through our perceptions of the symbols the world represents, and we have fallen into a trap of giving the power we possess to the symbols instead of the meaning of the symbols
- harp< sorry richard...seems you feel you are the oneot judge others i was merely laughing ..wiht warmth at out too human attempts to understand
- the divine by quantifying it.. if you feel i have no spiritual path well.. you don't know me and i would hope you would take the tiem to do s obeforeyou so harshly judge me
- RichardKula< I do believe that Spiritual & Psychological Therapy should go hand in hand..... one is dependent upon the other... but few understand it..... today's psychology is pretty empty... mostly about money and putting in 50 min. once a week for life and billing it to an insurance program... *S*
- harp< yeah that was basicly what iwas thinkin Tahuti..smile
- RichardKula< harp.... it's okay... get off of it.... discuss something....
- harp< loll you STILL controlling richard..smile
- RichardKula< I think Tahuti has something there... I agree with what you are saying about the symbols....
- OnToLove< Huge Hugs, {{{{{RichardK}}}}}}}} Long time since I've spoken with you
- RichardKula< Hello OnToLove *VBS*
- OnToLove< How goes it, RichardK? Light and Love to you
- HoneyFrosted< RichardKula I am a Psych student and I would have to agree with you in part on both your comment regarding spirituality and
- psychology going hand in hand, and about psych being empty. Unfortunately, like so many things in human history, the truth of some noble pursuit has been replaced by greed, so that instead of truth being the zenith of the quest, the almighty dollar is. But beware of sweeping statements, for I would not even say most psychology is empty, neither would I say they go hand in hand. In deed, they often tread the same path but only because their paths cross, not because they are travelling necessarily in the same direction. However, allow me to quantify that by saying what I always say, truth is true, regardless.
- SolSoul< Hi guys! hi Rich :). My friends use something they have named Shamanic Counseling as a better tool to help counsel people. It offers
- what normal Psychology does not
- RichardKula< It is often necessary to make "sweeping statements" because the essence of them is accurate.... regardless..... Yes, I was
- generalizing because the psychology I deal with is not of that category nor I would imagine yours.... but also like even chiropractic medicine.... as
- soon as it caught on to the insurance companies that it might be cheaper to pay off Chiropractors instead of surgeons they supported it and
- suddenly the market was flooded with, not necessarily quacks but exploiters.... shall we say *VBS*
- RichardKula< (((((((SolSoul))))) blessings upon YOU.... *VBS*
- OnToLove< I agree, HoneyFrosted.... I have even found psychologists (aware of being) on paths of light
- Tahuti< some of the most "spiritual" people I know would be certified insane based on classic definitions, which come from institutionalized modes of thinking, by those who are not whole themselves
- RichardKula< If most psychologists and psychiatrists could read a little Carl Jung as well as understand that what we are is CONSIOUSNESS
- and that MIND is an ongoing unfoldment it would be an improvement.
- OnToLove< But, also, RK, I too have found the kind of both psychologists and chiropractors that had moved onto insurance as the easy way to
- riches
- RichardKula< OnToLove.... oh yes indeed.... it is hard to find a good chiropractor... they are out there but very few are really into Holistic or
- Wholistic medicine.
- OnToLove< chuckling, yes, Tahuti, I agree.... I became shy of channeling for that very reason.... (What? you hear voices? how very interesting....)
- RichardKula< The human mind is merely an illusion based on Separateness from the Reality which actually binds all of us together..... yes LOVE but in the Highest Sense and all of the attributes of that Truth and what that means in terms of ONENESS and INFINITY.
- harp< yeah and you know tho it is no better thing ot dress the same imprisnoning judgeemnts wrapped i nthe jungian flag..there are as many of
- these quacks as the old kind
- RichardKula< Yes, I would imagine you are right harp.
- harp< and is the old woprld practitioner an yworse than the new if they both exploit for fees?
- HoneyFrosted< RK, indeed, through whatever way they have discovered to make themselves rich, many (mental) health professionals seem to
- have 'lost their way', seeking a comfortable life over seeking the truth of the science of the mind, but not all, and even those that have have not been completely lost for many discoveries are yet being made (though some people are getting rich off of them). It is the pop-psychologists with which you are angered, those who offer a 'quick fix', a 'five session solution' to all life's problems.
- RichardKula< You are right harp.... one is even worse than the other because it attempts to deceive even more.
- harp< and is the old woprld practitioner an yworse than the new if they both exploit for fees?
- Tahuti< so the ultimate expression of human existence is oneness with the divine?
- harp< and its not even new..we know some of the old shamans up here got pretty bad
- RichardKula< Well, yes and know, I am not entirely against Pop psychology because it brought it to the mainstream, even radio psychology is
- raising people's consciousness at the level they are at.... some old serious psychology, though sincere is just dead, so the motive is important.... but
- one can find help if they really want to "Wake Up" *VBS*
- OnToLove< and yet, HoneyFrosted, is not our world at this time, keyed to looking for just that same 5 session solution to each of life's problems? Don't we all wish for them? I find this most interesting... recently most of those I see around me aren't interested in any but "instant" gratification....
- harp< and its not even new..we know some of the old shamans up here got pretty bad
- RichardKula< No, Tahuti, I wouldn't say that..... not as Human.... I would say that in Reality we are ONE MIND and we are basing our current
- reality on a state of duallity which is a separateness from each other as consciousness..... not just mind as in human thinking but mind as in
- Beingness.... as Light..... as Infinity... conscious of itself on the highest Order.
- Tahuti< i dont necessarily agree that waking up is dependent on pshychology
- harp< lol the angst of the age..Whay am i not making more money..loll more happiness. mor e..more...motre..more..SOMETHING..lolll
- harp< i am wrong i am right..lol you are sooo funny richard
- RichardKula< No I don't either but MIND will play an important role on some level or other.... one could simply wake up to REALITY by letting go suddenly of all illusion but I don't see it happeing that way very often. LOL
- OnToLove< LOL, harp
- RichardKula< harp you just need to argue with people to get the anger out of you from your childhood which you haven't dealt with completely
- yet... I am not the source of your pain.
- Giles< RichardKula I know what you mean...I stopped going to my chiropracter when started pestering me to sign a pitician for the insurance
- agencies...and pushing health food products on me. Plus his kinesiology was totally inefective.
- HoneyFrosted< OnToLove, indeed, we live in a world where 'instant gratification' has become a right to be demanded by the populace...consider
- our means of communication here, this night, were we to try and have this discussion including all that are involved right here, right now, we would either tally up an incredibly huge phone bill (which is still an aspect of 'instant gratification') or it would take months and months of traveling via the snail mail trail. But as a novice student of Ninjutsu and Zen (among other things), I have seen that the most important lessons we learn in life, the knowledge that will sustain su throughout our physical existence comes slowly and is to be hard fought after.
- Tahuti< so then the ultimate illusion is the idea of seperation?
- RichardKula< I know that there was a big push on by the AMA and others to dump on chiropractors in the 50's and they spread the rumours that
- they were all quacks and many were because for one thing you could become a doctor more easily as a chiropractor, but there were many
- legitimate ones, and by the 60's and 70's it began to change and become more Holistic/Wholistic but then it got weird againt in the 80's and 90's and now going to a chirpractor is like having your aura examined by an electrician. LOL
- harp< wel li think that there is a flooow an enrgy ..and some of it flows through humans in a wa ytaht we..as humnas recognize so we immediately thin kah hthis must be the superior higgher way for it to flow..and then start preening ourselves admiring ourselves adn asking each other we are wonder ful are we not? and we forget the rock and teh oceon and the su nand the sky that this same enrgy flows tehre too..sigh..it is fro marraogance that finelly..we will fall..this notrion that we were MEANT to hweave dominion over the world adn not be one with it
- HoneyFrosted< The ultimate illusion the idea of complete underlying unity.
- harp< i am not arguing dear richard..please stop attacking me wiht that crude pop psych saber your thrashin around with.,. loll someoen might get hurt accidentall yand i DO believe you wouldn't want that..at heart
- Giles< The word reality has taken on such a negative context, from ill use by parents and so called therapists...that it makes you want to cringe
- when you hear it no matter the intent.
- RichardKula< Tahuti... it does translate out that way to a certain extent.... but it does relate to the differences between ONENESS and DUALITY or whether there is a Spiritual Order, which we can call truth, without defining it for the moment, which is ALL there is and because we feel separate from it... we have lies and truths rather than the ALLNESS which reveals that finiteness is actually Infinity and pain is actually the
- absense of the pure pleasure of love, ONENESS, and disease is the DIS EAST or interrupted HARMONY as in Dis Harmony.... all that we call
- negative in the "bad" sense directly relates to separateness whereas all that we call Spiritual traces back to an Understanding of Oneness.
- Tahuti< so then the ultimate illusion is the idea of seperation?
- OnToLove< Yes, HoneyFrosted... true. Interesting thoughts about the phone bill. VBS My comment was addressing psychologists going for the
- fast fix.. I was imagining and wondering how they could really avoid this approach when the populace almost insists upon instant gratification... just pondering the concept. *S*
- RichardKula< Well Giles, I have to use words.... we need to understand that there is a difference between "reality" and Reality and not continue
- our battle with old teachers and parents.... that battle can be dealt with on the couch, but the spiritual battle must begin by realizing the Truth behind words and not the limitations humans put on the words to satisfy their own selfish needs. I understand what you say but all of the English language is damaged in that way and we have to begin where we are at.
- harp< the westerm empirist notion is to split..split split..things.. first you split god fro mnature..than human fro mgod..the n..no iguess since we see ourselves assuperior..we'd split first fro mgod..THEN from nature..and fro mthat all else would becoem other..lolll lalaaaaa singing..there is no night apart fro mdayy.. no self from other..all these things arelies..there is no great divide..we area allsome part of the th one eternal way...a drop is the river.. adn yet not..smile yet without it the river cannot exist..smile where do we find the power of the river ..drop by drop..oh never..for ther is n oself without hte oyther..smile n onight apart from ..daaay....oops sorry usuall ythey don't LET me sing..hahahaaaaa
- harp< you hqave a nice laugh ontolove..smile i like to laugh too..smile
- Tahuti< seperate from the divine, i do not percieve this and oneness is inclusive of both pleasure and pain
- harp< in a way luaghter is a kinda music too
- Giles< harp I've come to see the universe as on solid piece...expanding and contracting. There is no true point where I end and you begin. The
- whole thing is our body. If a drop falls in the ocean, is still a drop or is it now the ocean.////Richard people are often comforted by the idea that
- everything has duality or balance. Espescially when dealing with morality. Thinking good and evil are absalutes instead of selfimposed conditioning so societies can exist.
- RichardKula< What harp says is important.... he is echoing some of the theories they began in the late 80's with the Looking Glass Theories etc..... where it was understood that today's science divides things up ad infinitum and it never gets to the final answer because Infinity is Truth and you can divide forever... anyone who understands the principle of mathematics has discovered that.... they decided that we must look at the Universe in a Wholistic fashion to begin to understand what is Reality... actually I feel it is both... because Reality is ONENESS but also Infinite Variety and often we discover GOD or TRUTH or SPIRIT by seeing the multiplicity of reflection and then realize the ONENESS in its connection. harp< yes tahuti!! yes yes yes..exactly..split split split loll the surgeon in search of the soul..sigh
- harp< ahem richard,, in fact i am a she..and in fact i had these thoughtand that little song i just sang looong befoerthe 80;s..in fact it is primal beleif systems it is the basic diffenrece between many native cultures and western cultures..
- SolSoul< Yes I understand what you are saying Richard. I spoke with another on this subject. Infinite Variety....
- HoneyFrosted< OnToLove, I understand. And the point is intriguiung because is brings up the politics of health related issues. Do health care pros, and in particular mental health pros, give the care they do the way they do because we, as a population, a majority, demand it that way? I believe in the area of research, there is less public pressure (tho there is still much politics because of theings like trying to attain research grants and such), but when the research finds it's way into practice, is it forced to conform to public want or be discarded? We know the way it SHOULD be, but I don't believe it is that way at all. Then again, I am convinced that many of societies mental problems have been created by society and their wants!
- OnToLove< why, thank you for noticing my laugh, harp... blush
- harp< its o.k..smile you westerners'll catch on yet!!!
- SolSoul< well take care all!
- RichardKula< Giles well within ONENESS there is a balance as understood by Principle: or the Universal Law of Out and Back, Male Female,
- As Above So Below, etc., but this is two aspects which require each other for they are always ONE as opposed to duality which are aspects that
- contradict or oppose each other.... even they at some point do come together however because they are illusion and Truth is all there is.
- harp< yep giles
- Tahuti< oneness transcends the opposites of duality, and finds peace in both
- RichardKula< We have a lot of Infinite Variey within the earth realm because actually there is no earth realm.... I often say that Earth is the edited version of Heaven.... we are in HEAVEN now but our filtering system, our state of consciousness cause us to focus on things in a limited manner... as we raise our consciousness our world changes... not because it is really changing ... but because we allow in more light and see more of the REALITY which is actually there.
- OnToLove< yes, HoneyFrosted, isn't it intriguing? As a health care practitioner of sorts, I find it hard to advertise, or at least to find clients who
- want to do the work. I find that some (not all) think the work is to be done by those they "pay" to do it, rather than by themselves. I'm not a
- psychologist, but have studied much in that area
- HoneyFrosted< RK, duality is illusion? What?
- Giles< harp you used that metaphore before me!! SHAME ON YOU!!..Just teasing. It looks like we think alike..:-)
- harp< well ontolove..its teh ultimate in consumerism eh? consumption. one buys therespy..like a thing..object./.that one then HAS..loll funny but sad too..
- harp< *grins at Giles..
- harp< *singin..used that metaphor before..afore yo uused that metaphor befoere..loll witht the right best...
- RichardKula< Honey, yes, duality is illusion... just as disease is illusion.... when there is harmony there is no disease... I am simplifying here but the principle is accurate.... when we separate ourselves.... we have Dis Harmony and this is duality..... as Principle is out and back... we get back what we put out..... if one believes in disease they are believing in a mind set which is in opposition to the harmony of oneness.... and this duality is an illusion, not reality.
- harp< ahh medicine for pay..sigh theres teh ethic eh?
- HoneyFrosted< OnToLove, yes, yes, that is true, people (an in the area of purely physical health care, i guess I have been, at times, guilty of just
- this thing) go to health workers and expect to be fixed. 'Fix me!' I think all they have to do is be able to pay the bill for it and all else will be done to them. They don't see that the body and mind are intrinsically ties together and that,first of all, a positive attitude of learning and self-help (cringe) go a long, long way. In fact, I believe that a large portion of the people that suffer physically and mentally do so because they don't take care of themselves.
- harp< its happening here too.. now you can't get elders ot go to hte schools and share what the yremember of the old ways..without paying them
- 100$ a day..sigh
- RichardKula< OnToLove.... similar to the story of Krishnamurti when the Theosophical Society wanted to make him the World Teacher and he
- told all the people that they had to do their own work... he couldn't be their savior... they were shocked... do our own work? they asked???? they
- were shocked....
- harp< wel lthey [paid didn't they? s othe yshould be "fixed" loll..i see it..starting with medicine for money
- RichardKula< Paying for help would be alright if anyone got help or wanted it.....ROFTL
- OnToLove< Laughing, yes, HoneyFrosted, I am also guilty of this. And even of not taking enough care of myself. Perhaps sometimes not thinking I deserve the same care I would suggest my clients take of themselves. LOL
- harp< i go outot the remote vilalges and tel lthem..no one is coming ot save you..and you oughtta be thankful for that..if anyhting is gonna happen
- ehre..YOU are gonna haveto DO it
- HoneyFrosted< RK, I'm afraid my view of such things as disease is a little more mundane and tangible than disharmony and oneness. I guess the
- sciences of virology and epidemiology are heading in quite the wrong direction. And cancer patients will be happy to hear that the only reason they're suffering and dying is because they're singing out of tune.
- RichardKula< People need to understand that on a Path one is asking not be be healed but to be led to the door of their Soul... they enter at their
- own risk....LOL
- Giles< Richard I like what you said. So many philosophers and theologians have used the concept of HEAVEN as a standing point to look down on and criticize the earth. Oh and I wasn't criticizing your use of the word REALITY if my phasing was misleading. I was defending the word from present day slanders.
- harp< se thats wahti liek about you ontolove..smile you understand we al lis fallible
- OnToLove< UH OH.... someone started the room laughing... who's the culprit??? Quick... stop them! LOL
- harp< itsa catchy beat ontolove..
- harp< haahaaa everybod ywant t otdance
- RichardKula< HoneyFrosted I am speaking in generalities.... but Cancer is from harboring hatred and emotional constructs which are eating
- away at the soul of an individual, pneumonia is often symbolic of a broken heart or broken spirit or depression, and a bad back can be a lack of
- support or feeling unable to stand up to life, or feet problems dealing with understanding or eyes related to "vision" or headaches related to things
- which just hurt to think about or the hands related to things you are in touch with or the stomache having to do with how much "you can stomache" or blood having to do with spirit and cleansing.... and so on.... which often relates to one's own belief system and emotional hurts that we carry along with us which are triggered from time to time or cycles which give us once again an opportunity to deal with our consciousness through our body because we are not dealing with it through our MIND.
- harp< well HoneyFrosted you gotta remember tho al lthose spontaneous remissions..and actuall yyou know there have been peoel who swear the
- ywere literall yCURED buy laughter..*shrugs..ya gotta wonder
- HoneyFrosted< I have never heard of anyone overcoming any serious illness simply by thinking hard enough in their MIND nor by laughing at it or anything else. This is making a mockery of scientific research.
- harp< and i dunno about the specificity of disweases.. ithin the energy looks at hte structure and finds a path.,..some thats the heart attack..others
- its cancer..wh ocan say..we know so little.. iam amazed that the structure of one typr of cell. iforget at the monet..is hte same as teh pattern the
- quatamalan weavers use.. ihad to stand back and think..HOW DID THEY KNOW?? yet the patterne was tehre,,complete adn i was sure they had
- never seen a microscope...
- RichardKula< Yes, laughter has often healed people.... it shakes them from the seriousness they are stuck in and it allows a natural healing...
- sometimes this is enough... healing takes many forms.. but the important thing is that it is there and holds more reality in it than does the disease.
- Tahuti< so, the major obstacle in human development is seperation from the harmony which flows from the divine source?
- harp< sigh..i into hte sciences..microbiology and yet.. i have to think there is oo much we do not know..and ther e ARE these cases of spontaneous
- remision..the yis fact..sigh i don;t know how..and i wouldn't know how to DO it..buthtere they are..
- Tahuti< and connection with divine harmony is the key to a blissful existence...
- Giles< Richard That sounds a lot like cundalini.
- harp< we IS teh divine source and the flooow tahuti..there can't be one wihtout the other..they are one
- RichardKula< HoneyFrosted If one understands Principle and that we get back what we put out and that Consciousness is all there is, then we
- begin to understand the our consciousness can take the form of diseases and medicine does a little to help but all it ever really does is allow for a
- natural healing which is inate to take place..... and that disease is our Consciousness when we are not "thinking" correctly in a Higher Sense.... just
- as confusion can bring on a cold.... it has been discovered that disease is often brought on by peoples state of mind.... but it is diffilcut for people to understand and those making money off of the pharmaceuticals certainly wouldn't want people to start believing like this. lOLLOLLOL
- harp< hahaahahaaaa..giles well not all existence is blissful..but hten who said it had ot be..loll
- OnToLove< HoneyFrosted, Richard speaks the truth. Unfortunately I cant think of the book (was it Cousins, Richard? Who wrote the book about
- laughter healing?) Anyway, there have been at least several books written on the subject. No, I don't think it makes a mockery of scientific
- discoveries, but Science overall hasn't caught up yet with the mind/body connection... It's beginning to.... Actual MD's are beginning to notice this.
- Have you read anything by Bernie Siegel MD??? *S*
- RichardKula< I want to thank all of you... I feel we have had a really good discussion..... and everyone participated and everyone gave
- something... this was great..... the chat thing is good but there is room for this here too.... Blessings to you all.... I must go....... Spirit & Truth in your continuing discussion.... love and ((((((HUGS))))))
- harp< well i look at pharmaceuticals this way..medicine with spirit ma ybe able ot effecta cure..but medicine wihtout spirit will do nothing...smile
- harp< unconditional life deepak chopra..is ok too
- Tahuti< Safe journies, Richard
- OnToLove< Love and Light, Richard
- VioletAngel< veggies are the best :)
- HoneyFrosted< RK, I am sorry, there have been many times in my life when I have encountered things that have, at least initially, confused me,
- and I cannot recall ever once coming down with a cold as a result of it. That has to be one of the silly prognoses of a cold I have ever heard. ANd
- you still ignore my comment about scientific discovery. How is it that certain specific chemicals and/or naturally occuring substances go a long way in rectifying specific illnesses and other do not, because our collective oneness believes this is so? Because our harmony has convinced our universal unity that this drug fixs this but not this?
- Tahuti< well, this has seemed an accurate discussion of truth...multifaceted as it is
- harp< its jsut more splitting honey if it works use it..if its nOT working figure out why adn mebbe try somehting else
- harp< jeeeeah what are al lthese pronouncements..?? is this discussion over suddenly?? who is deciding this?
- HoneyFrosted< Alas, RK has left, if you catch this, know that I appreciated the excellent and challenging discussion as much as you. The Light lead us to meet again.
- harp< o hbut i have will3d MYSELF sick honey
- birchfaery< Oh dear did I come in at the end of something?
- VioletAngel< ...physical body is part of spirit, many don't recognize the physical body as the gift it is, it lets u know when there's something out of balance, when we're not distributing our energies in a proper way and take them from the body, then comes the pains, it helps you find the problem and fix it :-) be good on your body!
- harp< wel lguess the discussio nis over ,,i ma not sure wh yas we are stil lhere..loll but everyone seems ot be saying its over
- harp< doesn';t NEED to be teh end birchfaerie.smile
- OnToLove< Or perhaps a new discussion is starting, harp and birchfaery .--- welcome!
- Tahuti< truth is the topic, faery, want to express yours?
- harp< loll ontolove
- birchfaery< Thankyou Harp and Ontolove
- harp< GOD SI LOVE
- OnToLove< HoneyFrosted, are you still here?
- birchfaery< My truth? With unconditional love, anything is possible...now can someone tell me how to love unconditionally?
- OnToLove< sure, birchfaery. Light and love to you
- harp< loll wel lessee we know lots bout what NOT to do..smile